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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Wed May 09, 2012 6:22 pm

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I'm going to bow out at this point, not through not wanting to discuss what was said more, I would love to, but I only have a very basic knowledge of the man. To be honest, I probably should have not said a word in that regards, but what is there, can't be deleted now.

EDIT : Tom just posted this on his Twitter.

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Thank you all so much for the support and love. It's honestly humbling, inspiring and life changing for me.

Razz i'm not saying i'm extremely well-versed when it comes to politics- even in my own country- i basically agree with you, i was just saying why i was surprised that he did in fact, finally come out in favor of gay rights. Smile

i'm going to bow out too, but only cause i'm hungry, and when i'm hungry, i get cranky Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Wed May 09, 2012 8:43 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Wed May 09, 2012 11:30 pm

So, is their new album going to be called Transgender Dysphoria Blues?
All the new songs she's been playing at the Revival Tour have been REALLY good
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Wed May 09, 2012 11:39 pm

I don't think many anti-gay rights people would have been voting for Obama anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 1:47 am

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http://www.jbtvonline.com/interviews/against-me-identity-and-concept-albums

Going back and watching that was cool.

Brendan Kelly called it! what a sharp lad
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 5:13 am

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I don't think many anti-gay rights people would have been voting for Obama anyways.

me either...
i guess i just figured that the way politics are these days, you're either gonna choose the far left candidate or the far right candidate, and granted, yes, most people will choose along those lines, but there are plenty of people that are a bit more nuanced, and i just figured Obama might not want to risk losing any potential votes in that way. i like how i use bigger words when i'm drunk, i apologize in advance. hopefully you get what i mean Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 9:42 am

Wow, I somehow completely missed this news all this time. It's great to have the courage to do that.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 1:27 pm

I'm psyched Obama openly supports it. I sincerely do not get people who want to deny anyone marriage because of their romantic preferences. The idea of thinking I have that kind of say over someone's life is completely foreign to me. But not to others apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:02 pm

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I'm psyched Obama openly supports it. I sincerely do not get people who want to deny anyone marriage because of their romantic preferences. The idea of thinking I have that kind of say over someone's life is completely foreign to me. But not to others apparently.

seriously, if people would just let others live their lives the way they wish and focus on themselves instead, the world...would be a better place.

i hesitated, trying to find a less cliche way to end that sentence, but i'm too stupid, so there you go Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:06 pm

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NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
I'm psyched Obama openly supports it. I sincerely do not get people who want to deny anyone marriage because of their romantic preferences. The idea of thinking I have that kind of say over someone's life is completely foreign to me. But not to others apparently.

seriously, if people would just let others live their lives the way they wish and focus on themselves instead, the world...would be a better place.

i hesitated, trying to find a less cliche way to end that sentence, but i'm too stupid, so there you go Smile

I agree with you, Steph. Who cares how other people live, as long as they aren't hurting themselves or other people. This is supposed to be a free country, so why can't people live their lives free of judgement, prejudice, and ridicule? This is 2012, not 1912. You'd think this country, the world really, would have come farther by now. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:14 pm

Going to miss his voice, since he's going to take hormones his voice will change, i'm going to miss Harsh Realms. Like, bigtime.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:15 pm

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I agree with you, Steph. Who cares how other people live, as long as they aren't hurting themselves or other people. This is supposed to be a free country, so why can't people live their lives free of judgement, prejudice, and ridicule? This is 2012, not 1912. You'd think this country, the world really, would have come farther by now. Rolling Eyes

on a positive note though, i was quite pleasantly surprised by the overwhelmingly supportive tweets to her Smile sometimes people are awesome!
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:16 pm

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Going to miss his voice, since he's going to take hormones his voice will change, i'm going to miss Harsh Realms. Like, bigtime.

Found this on another forum...dunno how true, or how much it answers questions.


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Basically MTF TS Hormones wont change the voice of anyone, depending on when the transition occurs because male puberty means the voice breaks lower and cant re break higher. Where as FTM TS people effectively go through puberty again and because originally a women's voice broke higher, it will break lower with the male hormones.

The options for MTF are to have vocal coaching, which takes a long time, to produce a female voice and puts a lot of strain on the voice whilst doing it, but will following vocal exercises and stuff the new voice can be good and can be sung in/with There are a a load of youtube vids from the likes of CandiFla or Finding Your Female Voice which give an idea of how it is done.

There is a Trach shave, which may make the voice higher, but the success rate is low, and the complications can ruin a voice completely, which would be no good for singers as their lively hood would be under thread.

Singers like Dana International and that German lass, Kim Petras (?) transitioned early. Dana International was a drag artiste before she transitioned and would have clearly worked on her voice before changing. Transitioned roughly 18-21, but had identified as TS at 13 or so. Regarding Kim, afaik because she wasnt old enough to change, she had her puberty surpressed with drugs so that the voice wouldn't break and her body wouldn't become more male before changing at 16.

So there are options out there for them both whether they sing in their new voices or revert back to their old one would be up to them, some would not do it as it would be still presenting as male, despite going through the change where as others may still sing in their known voice as that is where the money is. Ive not listened to any Caputo stuff so I dont know which way she's gone with that
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:19 pm

Klown wrote:
HorribleCrowe wrote:
Going to miss his voice, since he's going to take hormones his voice will change, i'm going to miss Harsh Realms. Like, bigtime.

Found this on another forum...dunno how true, or how much it answers questions.


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Basically MTF TS Hormones wont change the voice of anyone, depending on when the transition occurs because male puberty means the voice breaks lower and cant re break higher. Where as FTM TS people effectively go through puberty again and because originally a women's voice broke higher, it will break lower with the male hormones.

The options for MTF are to have vocal coaching, which takes a long time, to produce a female voice and puts a lot of strain on the voice whilst doing it, but will following vocal exercises and stuff the new voice can be good and can be sung in/with There are a a load of youtube vids from the likes of CandiFla or Finding Your Female Voice which give an idea of how it is done.

There is a Trach shave, which may make the voice higher, but the success rate is low, and the complications can ruin a voice completely, which would be no good for singers as their lively hood would be under thread.

Singers like Dana International and that German lass, Kim Petras (?) transitioned early. Dana International was a drag artiste before she transitioned and would have clearly worked on her voice before changing. Transitioned roughly 18-21, but had identified as TS at 13 or so. Regarding Kim, afaik because she wasnt old enough to change, she had her puberty surpressed with drugs so that the voice wouldn't break and her body wouldn't become more male before changing at 16.

So there are options out there for them both whether they sing in their new voices or revert back to their old one would be up to them, some would not do it as it would be still presenting as male, despite going through the change where as others may still sing in their known voice as that is where the money is. Ive not listened to any Caputo stuff so I dont know which way she's gone with that

We'll just have to see mate!

But i'm so thankfull that his wife stays with him.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 3:34 pm

yeah I read that she's not sure about the trach shave so she's just going to have the same voice as before!
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 7:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Thu May 10, 2012 9:28 pm

literally cannot get over how awesome this quote is:

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“However fierce our band was in the past, imagine me, six-foot-two, in heels, fucking screaming into someone’s face.”
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 1:14 am

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literally cannot get over how awesome this quote is:

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“However fierce our band was in the past, imagine me, six-foot-two, in heels, fucking screaming into someone’s face.”

I love her so much.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 1:21 am

I honestly don't think a lot of the mistakes people have already made (people getting on Brian for pronoun usage, etc.) are out of any sort of disrespect. I think a lot of people, myself included, are generally fine with the idea, but it's such a complicated, foreign subject that it's difficult to wrap one's mind around it. It bothered me to read comments bashing Brian's (in my opinion heartfelt) post about Tom/Laura.

The way I would say it is there's a distinct difference between supporting something and fully grasping it. I'm definitely in the former, but I also don't understand the situation and the science behind it at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 1:27 am

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I honestly don't think a lot of the mistakes people have already made (people getting on Brian for pronoun usage, etc.) are out of any sort of disrespect. I think a lot of people, myself included, are generally fine with the idea, but it's such a complicated, foreign subject that it's difficult to wrap one's mind around it. It bothered me to read comments bashing Brian's (in my opinion heartfelt) post about Tom/Laura.

The way I would say it is there's a distinct difference between supporting something and fully grasping it. I'm definitely in the former, but I also don't understand the situation and the science behind it at all.

i agree. based on what some people said, i was almost afraid to read what he wrote. but it was overall positive.

that's the beautiful thing, you don't have to understand it, but to support this, even if, and esp. when, you don't understand it, that's the important shit. that's what everyone, ideally, would do.

and hopefully this situation will enlighten more people and people will become more tolerant and accepting and understanding. i'm pretty in awe of someone coming forward in such a public way to say this. i think only good things can come from it Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 2:13 am

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JohnnyC wrote:
I honestly don't think a lot of the mistakes people have already made (people getting on Brian for pronoun usage, etc.) are out of any sort of disrespect. I think a lot of people, myself included, are generally fine with the idea, but it's such a complicated, foreign subject that it's difficult to wrap one's mind around it. It bothered me to read comments bashing Brian's (in my opinion heartfelt) post about Tom/Laura.

The way I would say it is there's a distinct difference between supporting something and fully grasping it. I'm definitely in the former, but I also don't understand the situation and the science behind it at all.

i agree. based on what some people said, i was almost afraid to read what he wrote. but it was overall positive.

that's the beautiful thing, you don't have to understand it, but to support this, even if, and esp. when, you don't understand it, that's the important shit. that's what everyone, ideally, would do.

and hopefully this situation will enlighten more people and people will become more tolerant and accepting and understanding. i'm pretty in awe of someone coming forward in such a public way to say this. i think only good things can come from it Smile

yeah i mean before this i can honestly say i didnt know anything about transgender people, and kind of viewed them as just strange people since i didn't know of anyone who has been affected by it. but now i think, oh tom gabel has this dilemma, it kind of puts a face to the idea, and so this has challenged me to become more open to transgender people. personally it's changed my viewpoint and it feels good to support her. so in that way i think it's huge that this has happened, definitely a game changer. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 2:15 am


i think that is great that you can be honest and admit the way you felt before, due to not having much awareness of the issue. High Five

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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 9:08 am

I just have to say that I've never been happier to be a member of this forum. Seriously, everyone here has been nothing but supportive, kind, and understanding with Tom's decision, and I don't think that would happen on many other forums, or most other places on the internet either. Good people around here, that's for sure!
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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 9:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Against Me!   Fri May 11, 2012 1:49 pm

steph wrote:

i think that is great that you can be honest and admit the way you felt before, due to not having much awareness of the issue. High Five


Honestly, even though I'm an old lady, I haven't had much experience with this subject beyond Chaz Bono. But I never saw Bono 3x in person before his transition so there wasn't much of a mental adjustment to make. I don't understand only because I can't relate to those feelings that Gabel was having all these years. It's disturbing to think how awful and surreal life must have been until now. Even though i don't fully understand, I want to and I'm supportive of the whole move. Also, even though I'm not super into Against Me! I feel protective of her too. Like, don't you haters make her life miserable or I will kick your ass!
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