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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:58 pm

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I just caught up on spam. Honestly, I'm sorry I did. I'm so disgusted and offended, I can't even put it into words. John and Chris, I am so disappointed in both of you. Crying or Very sad
Disgusted and offended? Why (on both points)?

Seriously? I need to spell this out for you? Honestly, I expected you to have more respect for women than this, John. The conversation you two were having about strippers and moms that you want to sleep with was disgusting. These are people you are talking about like they are pieces of meat or objects to ogle or use. There is no respect at all in anything you guys have said. It not only makes me really angry, but really sad too because men should have evolved more than this by 2012. The Women's Lib movement started over 40 years ago and women are still being subjected to this kind of talk and treatment. It makes me sick.
You can keep me out of the stripper discussion. I don't know what anyone said and I had no part in it.

And why would you assume that I lack respect of women? It's totally fine for women of this forum to talk about men in the very same fashion, but as soon as men do it about women it's degrading? It's not just limited to the forum, that's what it's like EVERYWHERE. It's called double standards and I'm quite tired of it.

I don't see what's so wrong about finding sexual attraction in a mother who, by all definitions of the word, is hot. For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman. Would you rather I was attracted by 13 year olds?


I thought the whole mother discussion was disturbing, like Oedipal Complex disturbing. It's like a young woman who marries a guy 20 years older than her because her dad abandoned her or was emotionally distant or whatever. It's disturbing because they are looking for a parental void to fill, but find it in a spouse/significant other. Of course it's not as bad as being attracted to a CHILD. That is illegal, immoral, and disgusting. You can't even compare the two.

And I don't remember ever objectifying men in this forum or anywhere else. Saying a guy is good looking is not disrespectful in the least. But if I said I would like to sleep with someone's dad just because he's a hot older dude and has kept himself in shape, blah blah blah, or that I think that male strippers or porn stars just had healthy self esteem and there was nothing wrong with them selling their bodies, I would expect someone to call me out on it too. But I wouldn't do that because I have more respect for men than that and more respect for the entire human race than that! These women are people, John. Would you want someone talking about your mother or sister like women have been talked about tonight? I hope not.
I don't have any voids to fill, Shannon. With that being excluded, what else is there that's so wrong about it?

I never said YOU do, but there's been several occasions of women on the forum throwing around sexual remarks, even about other forum members. I don't recall anyone ever having said they're disgusting or demeaning or degrading. Because it's NOT.
There's nothing respectless about wanting to have sex with someone and the very implication is ridiculous. What do you want me to do? Look at an attractive woman and be all "She is attractive, but that doesn't matter - All I want is to discuss politics and the latest books with her, because she's an individual and NOT an object!"

Reality doesn't work that way. What, do you think I randomly walk up to women and say stuff like "You should sleep with me because that's all you're worth"? No, of course not. Because I respect women. Discussing desire for women with your friends has nothing to do with a lack of respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:00 pm

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So glad I tuned out of Spam tonight. As for the stripper comments- I respect them as women, but I would not want to go into a strip club for a reason. The reason is a simple one-as shannon said, they are real women with relationships and why should anyone pay to oggle them for such a thing? But yeah I agree, They must be damaged in some way, but it is disgusting some men still get a kick out of these things.

Thanks for backing me up on that topic, Jimmy. It's nice to see that a guy has respect for women and can see that women in this line of work are still people who deserve respect and probably have some very real, very serious problems.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:04 pm

I don't see where I ever disrespected strippers. I was doing nothing BUT respecting them.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:05 pm

SO, Handwritten is certainly shaping up very nicely.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:05 pm

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SO, Handwritten is certainly shaping up very nicely.

For sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:09 pm

I don't have a problem with guys going to a strip club or buying sex or any of it. That's guys being guys (or women being women). Sex is a primal thing and sometimes that's all you want. Fine. I just wanted to point out that these women are in that place in their lives because something terrible happened in their life to get them there. Example: Jenna Jameson. Right before she went into porn she was gang raped. Extreme sexual behavior, even from slutty drunk college girls who go to Yale, is because of something awful that happened to them earlier in life.

As for the "Ben Nichols is hot" comments, or thinking Laurence is pretty (cus he is) it has way more to do with personality than anything else. If Ben, or Laurence, had a career where he was taking off his clothes and waving his man parts in women's faces for money, I wouldn't think he was hot. I'd feel sorry for him and be completely turned off.

Maybe you should explain why a MILF is attractive. It sounds like what you're saying is she is hot because she's a Mom and that's what is disturbing. Older woman who kept herself in shape, ok. But specifically being turned on cus she is a Mom is just weird to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:12 pm

Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
I just caught up on spam. Honestly, I'm sorry I did. I'm so disgusted and offended, I can't even put it into words. John and Chris, I am so disappointed in both of you. Crying or Very sad
Disgusted and offended? Why (on both points)?

Seriously? I need to spell this out for you? Honestly, I expected you to have more respect for women than this, John. The conversation you two were having about strippers and moms that you want to sleep with was disgusting. These are people you are talking about like they are pieces of meat or objects to ogle or use. There is no respect at all in anything you guys have said. It not only makes me really angry, but really sad too because men should have evolved more than this by 2012. The Women's Lib movement started over 40 years ago and women are still being subjected to this kind of talk and treatment. It makes me sick.
You can keep me out of the stripper discussion. I don't know what anyone said and I had no part in it.

And why would you assume that I lack respect of women? It's totally fine for women of this forum to talk about men in the very same fashion, but as soon as men do it about women it's degrading? It's not just limited to the forum, that's what it's like EVERYWHERE. It's called double standards and I'm quite tired of it.

I don't see what's so wrong about finding sexual attraction in a mother who, by all definitions of the word, is hot. For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman. Would you rather I was attracted by 13 year olds?


I thought the whole mother discussion was disturbing, like Oedipal Complex disturbing. It's like a young woman who marries a guy 20 years older than her because her dad abandoned her or was emotionally distant or whatever. It's disturbing because they are looking for a parental void to fill, but find it in a spouse/significant other. Of course it's not as bad as being attracted to a CHILD. That is illegal, immoral, and disgusting. You can't even compare the two.

And I don't remember ever objectifying men in this forum or anywhere else. Saying a guy is good looking is not disrespectful in the least. But if I said I would like to sleep with someone's dad just because he's a hot older dude and has kept himself in shape, blah blah blah, or that I think that male strippers or porn stars just had healthy self esteem and there was nothing wrong with them selling their bodies, I would expect someone to call me out on it too. But I wouldn't do that because I have more respect for men than that and more respect for the entire human race than that! These women are people, John. Would you want someone talking about your mother or sister like women have been talked about tonight? I hope not.
I don't have any voids to fill, Shannon. With that being excluded, what else is there that's so wrong about it?

I never said YOU do, but there's been several occasions of women on the forum throwing around sexual remarks, even about other forum members. I don't recall anyone ever having said they're disgusting or demeaning or degrading. Because it's NOT.
There's nothing respectless about wanting to have sex with someone and the very implication is ridiculous. What do you want me to do? Look at an attractive woman and be all "She is attractive, but that doesn't matter - All I want is to discuss politics and the latest books with her, because she's an individual and NOT an object!"

Reality doesn't work that way. What, do you think I randomly walk up to women and say stuff like "You should sleep with me because that's all you're worth"? No, of course not. Because I respect women. Discussing desire for women with your friends has nothing to do with a lack of respect.

It was the way everything was said. It just seemed to me like there was no respect, it was all about meaningless sex and that was it. I think that's wrong for anyone, male or female. I'm not trying to push my moral standards on anyone else, but I just don't go around thinking, "I want to sleep with him." "I think my dad's friend is hot. Too bad he's married." To me, that's just thinking of someone as an object, not a person with feelings and thoughts and a life. That's how the conversation tonight came across to me. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how I read it. And I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion.

I don't claim to have a perfect moral compass (far from it), of course I see nothing wrong with admiring an attractive person, and I don't go around bashing men or women who do because that is totally normal, but I just feel that it went too far here tonight and it offended me.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:12 pm

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Maybe you should explain why a MILF is attractive. It sounds like what you're saying is she is hot because she's a Mom and that's what is disturbing. Older woman who kept herself in shape, ok. But specifically being turned on cus she is a Mom is just weird to me.
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For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:14 pm

IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
Harbortown wrote:
IrishNameAndAnInjury wrote:
I just caught up on spam. Honestly, I'm sorry I did. I'm so disgusted and offended, I can't even put it into words. John and Chris, I am so disappointed in both of you. Crying or Very sad
Disgusted and offended? Why (on both points)?

Seriously? I need to spell this out for you? Honestly, I expected you to have more respect for women than this, John. The conversation you two were having about strippers and moms that you want to sleep with was disgusting. These are people you are talking about like they are pieces of meat or objects to ogle or use. There is no respect at all in anything you guys have said. It not only makes me really angry, but really sad too because men should have evolved more than this by 2012. The Women's Lib movement started over 40 years ago and women are still being subjected to this kind of talk and treatment. It makes me sick.
You can keep me out of the stripper discussion. I don't know what anyone said and I had no part in it.

And why would you assume that I lack respect of women? It's totally fine for women of this forum to talk about men in the very same fashion, but as soon as men do it about women it's degrading? It's not just limited to the forum, that's what it's like EVERYWHERE. It's called double standards and I'm quite tired of it.

I don't see what's so wrong about finding sexual attraction in a mother who, by all definitions of the word, is hot. For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman. Would you rather I was attracted by 13 year olds?


I thought the whole mother discussion was disturbing, like Oedipal Complex disturbing. It's like a young woman who marries a guy 20 years older than her because her dad abandoned her or was emotionally distant or whatever. It's disturbing because they are looking for a parental void to fill, but find it in a spouse/significant other. Of course it's not as bad as being attracted to a CHILD. That is illegal, immoral, and disgusting. You can't even compare the two.

And I don't remember ever objectifying men in this forum or anywhere else. Saying a guy is good looking is not disrespectful in the least. But if I said I would like to sleep with someone's dad just because he's a hot older dude and has kept himself in shape, blah blah blah, or that I think that male strippers or porn stars just had healthy self esteem and there was nothing wrong with them selling their bodies, I would expect someone to call me out on it too. But I wouldn't do that because I have more respect for men than that and more respect for the entire human race than that! These women are people, John. Would you want someone talking about your mother or sister like women have been talked about tonight? I hope not.
I don't have any voids to fill, Shannon. With that being excluded, what else is there that's so wrong about it?

I never said YOU do, but there's been several occasions of women on the forum throwing around sexual remarks, even about other forum members. I don't recall anyone ever having said they're disgusting or demeaning or degrading. Because it's NOT.
There's nothing respectless about wanting to have sex with someone and the very implication is ridiculous. What do you want me to do? Look at an attractive woman and be all "She is attractive, but that doesn't matter - All I want is to discuss politics and the latest books with her, because she's an individual and NOT an object!"

Reality doesn't work that way. What, do you think I randomly walk up to women and say stuff like "You should sleep with me because that's all you're worth"? No, of course not. Because I respect women. Discussing desire for women with your friends has nothing to do with a lack of respect.

It was the way everything was said. It just seemed to me like there was no respect, it was all about meaningless sex and that was it. I think that's wrong for anyone, male or female. I'm not trying to push my moral standards on anyone else, but I just don't go around thinking, "I want to sleep with him." "I think my dad's friend is hot. Too bad he's married." To me, that's just thinking of someone as an object, not a person with feelings and thoughts and a life. That's how the conversation tonight came across to me. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how I read it. And I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion.

I don't claim to have a perfect moral compass (far from it), of course I see nothing wrong with admiring an attractive person, and I don't go around bashing men or women who do because that is totally normal, but I just feel that it went too far here tonight and it offended me.
All things in life don't have to include meaning - Sometimes having fun is just enough, and that's just fine.

Sometimes that's all it is. Meaningless sex. I've done it, and I enjoyed it, but me not having any feelings for some of the girls doesn't mean I didn't respect them.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:16 pm

i blame the strippers
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 pm

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Maybe you should explain why a MILF is attractive. It sounds like what you're saying is she is hot because she's a Mom and that's what is disturbing. Older woman who kept herself in shape, ok. But specifically being turned on cus she is a Mom is just weird to me.
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For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman.

But you're specifically singling out Mothers.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 pm

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It was the way everything was said. It just seemed to me like there was no respect, it was all about meaningless sex and that was it. I think that's wrong for anyone, male or female. I'm not trying to push my moral standards on anyone else, but I just don't go around thinking, "I want to sleep with him." "I think my dad's friend is hot. Too bad he's married." To me, that's just thinking of someone as an object, not a person with feelings and thoughts and a life. That's how the conversation tonight came across to me. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how I read it. And I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion.

Men think this way. This isn't news.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 pm

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i blame the strippers

No no. Everything wrong in this world is Tom Delonge's fault.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 pm

We're not going to agree on this, John. We're not going to see eye to eye and we won't understand where the other is coming from. We've both stated our points, so let's just agree to disagree because I don't want to argue with you. But I won't refrain from being opinionated on topics like this in the future because they really upset me.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 pm

NeverTrustAJunkie wrote:
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Maybe you should explain why a MILF is attractive. It sounds like what you're saying is she is hot because she's a Mom and that's what is disturbing. Older woman who kept herself in shape, ok. But specifically being turned on cus she is a Mom is just weird to me.
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For me it's about recognizing her maturity and the fact that she's a real woman.

But you're specifically singling out Mothers.
Like I said, you wouldn't understand! I can't even explain it myself. It's just....there.
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PostSubject: Re: Spam   Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:21 pm

The MILF thing is weird. I would not be attracted to a woman because she's a mother. However, if she's hot, and also happens to be a mother, well then so be it, she's a MILF.

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